View Poll Results: is cost vs track time keeping you from away races?

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Thread: 2nd entry cost vs entries in general

  1. #1
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    2nd entry cost vs entries in general

    Question to the masses. Hypothetically : If 2nd entry fees were reduced, allowing drivers to get more track time for their dollar, would drivers find more value in racing with ICSCC/CSCC and maybe come out to a race they normally would not attend? Would it be a worth while effort for a club to drastically reduce the cost of a 2nd entry?

    if you have 120 race entries and of those entries you have 14 2nd entries at say $150 each equaling $2100. Would you be able to double the amount of 2nd entries if you were to cut the cost in half? Or would some of the drivers that normally do not travel be willing to travel to a track that was offering an opportunity to double their track time for say half the normal additional cost?

    Would you be more likely to attend an away race if you could double your track time for $50-$75?

  2. #2
    The idea in itself is intriguing and could be a viable approach to draw in the Luckydog crowd who places a higher value on track time per dollar. I'm not sure if it would get me to an away race that I would otherwise not attend though but that doesn't mean it wouldn't spark growth.

    Thinking about racing where I generally wouldn't would be PIR w/o the chicane - not my favorite so I usually skip the first cascade weekend. However if the format changed to just more racing that would sway me.

    I put more value on race-time as opposed to track-time. Since a normal race weekend was traditionally: Practice-qual-qual-race and lately it's been qual->(NP)race->qual->(P) race. If Cascade started doing a Qual-race-race-race format I'd be ALL OVER THAT. I did the Fall Finale with Sovren that was Qual-race-race-race-race-race over two days and I loved it, but then again the entry fee was higher.

  3. #3
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    Sovren generally has shorter races too, something that has been consistently voted down by ICSCC drivers. The other problem is the number of run groups, groups 3 and 6 have been combined at some events, but another group is generally added to the schedule. This does nothing to add to the amount of track time drivers enjoy, maybe a club should experiment with 5 run groups (plus novice if the numbers warrant), and shorter but more frequent track sessions for each group.
    What would Johnny Canuck do?

  4. #4
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    As you will recall Vince, IRDC has been doing qual, non-points race on Saturday (IIRC 20 minutes) and points race on Sunday with the Sat. race qualifying if you want. Been doing this for several years. It has been well received. So a double race weekend with the cost of your entry. Except for cars like yours and mind and formula cars,we don't have the opinion of a second entry. A single race weekend has to be the most boring weekend possible for me! Many other tin tops do have a 3rd race weekend with a second entry, some have a 4th if they do the 1 hour enduro. I don't recall the ratio of first entries to second entries. Interesting to find out for each club and I wonder if it is a reflection of their race scheduling.

    As our numbers of novice drivers decline as the season wears on we have with the License Directors discretion included novices in the regular race groups on double race weekends, but that is a Race Chairmen/License Director call dependent on numbers and experience of the Novices.

    I was not able to attend the last ICSCC Board meeting but the summary that I have received indicates there are lots changes being considered to entice Lucky Dog drivers into the fold. Waiver of physical, $25 enduro license based on License director discretion, etc. Our January ICSCC meeting should be very interesting.

  5. #5
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    I guess what I'm seeing here is that people are not interested in doubling the track time they get for paying only $50-$75 more vs the current rate of $150-$190 pending on the club hosting the event. And it looks like this would not get more people to travel to an away race knowing that they could get a better value for their racing dollar. So I guess it does not matter what the cost is for an extra run group?

    We averaged 12.6 second entries per race last year here in Portland. My question was basically, would that number improve if the cost went down? And by the looks of it, NO.

  6. #6
    The way I understood the premise of the question was "Would a reduction in cost for a 2nd entry be enough to convince me to attend an away-race I would otherwise not attend." To that, the answer is 'No', because the detractors from committing to an away race are >$75. The cost of travel, hotel, time away from work/family, or even if one finds the track unfavorable - are all much greater than saving $50-$75.

    The 2nd thing to consider, (*assumption) is a lot folks in the Portland/Seattle area don't consider Portland/Seattle as "away races". For me, going to Shelton is the same commitment as going to Portland, so I don't consider PIR an 'away race'.

    If we change the question to be: "If the 2nd entry was only $50-75, would you double enter (or purchase a 2nd entry) more often when you otherwise may not?" To that I can definitively say, Yes, yes I would. In fact if the 2nd entry was that cheap, I'd probably just double enter as a default.

  7. #7
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    Nov 2019
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    Might be a an idea to look at the number of double entries you have now. We had the same question at the kart club and after looking into the numbers we noticed a low number of double entries. We lowered the rate for a second or third class significantly (only $25) and we got more double entries, reaching our goal of more entries in classes. Because we got more double entries revenue actually went up a bit.

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